WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 00:00:00.339 --> 00:00:06.269 streamer bleeEEeEeh is latest example of twitch th0t harassment problem. ~owen wilson wow~ 00:00:06.420 --> 00:00:10.500 did they just use the T word? tWiTch? hAHA funny.. (omg im dying that was so funny L. O. L.) 00:00:11.200 --> 00:00:18.840 i'm purposely censoring the name aAAaAnd the face of this individual because i'm not bringing this up as much as it is for her 00:00:19.180 --> 00:00:21.010 more than it is for uh 00:00:21.010 --> 00:00:23.129 this article and issue in general. 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.820 because daMN OLD MAN OH BAM, it's this article (can you even english?) 00:00:28.060 --> 00:00:28.760 *burp* 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.620 PAINfully one-sided. FIRST of all, 00:00:32.290 --> 00:00:37.679 hEEeAAaAh, this is the photo that they chose to represent this ~individual~ 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:43.360 mEANWHILE any article from polygon they'll grab the ugliest (hey thats mean i like her outfit) 00:00:43.900 --> 00:00:48.900 screenshot they can find from the video. it's hilarious. like what is this? (i agree) huh? 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.840 ALSO, if you google the name of this ~individual~ you get a wiiide 00:00:54.100 --> 00:00:58.280 arrangement of diFFErEnt type of photographs.. but of course 00:00:58.289 --> 00:01:04.709 there's nothing wrong with this, which is why they chose *THIS* picture *giggle* and not all these other ones. just pure coincidence.. ;) 00:01:05.140 --> 00:01:11.070 now i knew this streamer before because of a clip that sort of went viral because she's an IRL streamer and 00:01:11.950 --> 00:01:13.950 she was working out at the gym 00:01:14.170 --> 00:01:17.189 but she was told by the staff that she can't work- 00:01:17.189 --> 00:01:21.479 she can't have her camera face so that she shows other people in the background 00:01:22.360 --> 00:01:25.229 but instead she just goes "there's no camera" *giggle* (wow genius) 00:01:25.930 --> 00:01:27.930 *inhale* LET'S WATCH 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:39.309 you know stretching is DEFINITELY important. we got no problems with stretching. there's just a lot of stretching going on. (you like that kind of stuff dont you pewds?) 00:01:45.890 --> 00:01:51.099 sorry, (its ok) but if i cared about not being doxxed, i would not go to people saying where i live 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:56.740 in fact, i avoid saying where i live at most points, even if it's commonly known. anyway, the staff comes in 00:01:57.260 --> 00:01:59.580 Girl: That's why I'm not filming anymore. 00:02:00.020 --> 00:02:02.660 Girl: I don't have my camera set up today 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:07.760 Worker: ..Some people just keep complaining about it... 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:10.860 Girl: Who's complaining? 00:02:12.740 --> 00:02:14.720 Girl: I don't have my camera set up, like 00:02:14.820 --> 00:02:16.160 Are you saying I can't be at the gym? 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:17.560 Worker: No... 00:02:19.020 --> 00:02:20.780 Girl: Yeah, I don't have my 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:22.900 Girl: No I'm just-- 00:02:22.900 --> 00:02:25.340 Girl: No I'm not filming I'm just skyping one of my trainers 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.060 *giggle* she doesn't have her camera. just like.. 00:02:28.790 --> 00:02:32.820 "i'm not recording right now. okay?" what are we watching this through then? (hmmmMMMMM) 00:02:32.820 --> 00:02:35.439 i can see the camera right there on your left shoulder. [correction] right shoulder 00:02:37.040 --> 00:02:43.329 she keeps saying "i don't have my camera. i'm just skyping my trainer." trainers just sitting there like 00:02:44.209 --> 00:02:46.209 "keep stretching. that's right." (you go girl) 00:02:46.209 --> 00:02:48.900 Girl: Yeah I'm not filming though I'm just skyping one of my trainers 00:02:49.579 --> 00:02:55.358 Did she just say I'm skyping my trainers, is that what she calls her twitch audience? What's up my trainers? 00:02:55.359 --> 00:02:57.359 Thanks for watching me workout today 00:03:00.859 --> 00:03:02.859 My trainers 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:11.769 So anyway, he runs away he doesn't know how to face this you're not filming she's not filming everybody that's an important distinction here 00:03:11.769 --> 00:03:18.938 she's not filming at all live streaming is not the same as filming everyone knows that he's basically playing on the fact that 00:03:19.180 --> 00:03:24.180 Technically, yes, live-streaming ioan isn't the same as recording, but they end effect is the same 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:25.600 Girl: Pretty sure.. 00:03:25.600 --> 00:03:28.040 Cuz I don't have a backpack, I don't have my tripod 00:03:28.040 --> 00:03:28.860 I don't have my camera set up 00:03:29.500 --> 00:03:34.840 She doesn't have the camera she says that at least a dozen time then guy number two shows up 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.080 Guy2: Hey, Excuse me, I know a lot of people have already about this 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:39.580 But.. 00:03:39.700 --> 00:03:42.160 In regards to the filming and the live-streaming 00:03:43.720 --> 00:03:45.020 You're not allowed to do it 00:03:45.620 --> 00:03:47.800 Girl:I'm not I don't have my camera 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:49.360 Guy2: You are lying 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:50.600 We have your account open 00:03:50.600 --> 00:03:52.140 We know you're live here 00:03:52.140 --> 00:03:53.020 Girl: But it doesn't record it. 00:03:53.420 --> 00:03:54.600 Guy2: but you are live 00:03:54.600 --> 00:03:55.920 It's still the same here 00:03:55.920 --> 00:03:56.960 It's still the same deal. 00:03:57.100 --> 00:03:58.780 You're on social media.. 00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:00.080 You have other people around you 00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:09.500 The problem here is that other people are working out in the background all she has to do which the guy says as well is 00:04:09.700 --> 00:04:13.769 Move to a wall where she doesn't show other people. It's a pretty reasonable 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:16.400 Request but she doesn't back down 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:18.480 Guy2: I know it's not the first time 00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:22.220 Girl: Before it's been that I can't have my camera 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:23.420 Guy2: uh-huh 00:04:23.420 --> 00:04:24.280 Girl: In here 00:04:25.900 --> 00:04:28.220 Guy2: Have you never been told about the live-streaming? 00:04:28.220 --> 00:04:29.700 Girl: No, they said don't have your camera in here 00:04:30.640 --> 00:04:33.440 Girl: Before they said it's fine if it's more focused on me 00:04:34.260 --> 00:04:38.500 Guy2: yes if it's only you or yourself and you're against a wall where nobody else is filmed, it's fine 00:04:38.500 --> 00:04:40.140 Girl: So you want me to be up against a wall? 00:04:42.640 --> 00:04:50.440 And then the big boss shows up Caitlin Caitlin 00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:51.040 Girl2: Caitlin 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:52.900 Girl2: you gotta shut it off 00:04:53.300 --> 00:04:54.160 Girl2: so either... 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:55.340 Girl2: you don't film here anymore or... 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.520 Girl: What is wrong with myself? I don't understand. 00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:06.980 I think I'm being phone harassed 00:05:06.980 --> 00:05:09.560 cuz it's like, I don't even have my camera here 00:05:09.880 --> 00:05:12.740 Don't have my camera here. Oh, really? 00:05:14.210 --> 00:05:19.359 Yeah, she pulls up the livestream. I don't have my camera. Oh, really? 00:05:21.140 --> 00:05:23.740 Just move to a wall it's not that big a deal 00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:25.960 Girl: ...feel uncomfortable though 00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:32.380 Why did you say it was fine? 00:05:33.500 --> 00:05:34.940 Girl2: what I said was... 00:05:39.460 --> 00:05:42.060 Girl2: I've actually had your followers call and-- 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:45.080 Girl: That's what I'm saying, I'm being phone harassed! 00:05:45.080 --> 00:05:45.740 That's the thing. 00:05:45.900 --> 00:05:51.480 That's the thing I'm being phone harassed other people are calling you guys so I'm being harassed 00:05:51.690 --> 00:05:57.679 She's trying to divert to the fact that a lot of times when IRL streamers go to certain places 00:05:57.960 --> 00:06:04.310 The people in watching the livestream will harass that place and keep calling in to annoy and get that person kicked out 00:06:04.310 --> 00:06:11.920 So she's trying to make it seem like that's the problem when they mentioned it many times. Just don't film other people 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:13.080 Girl: I'm just gunna leave. 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.620 Girl: I'll go to a gym who is more understanding of their members careers 00:06:18.760 --> 00:06:20.200 Girl: I'll just leave 00:06:20.200 --> 00:06:22.320 Girl: I'm leaving the establishment 00:06:22.320 --> 00:06:22.820 Girl: ok? 00:06:24.140 --> 00:06:26.020 I get it. Sometimes you face confrontation 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:31.280 You don't want to admit that you're wrong. So you act like an idiot and this time it was on camera 00:06:31.280 --> 00:06:32.210 It can happen to anyone 00:06:32.210 --> 00:06:32.660 Okay 00:06:32.660 --> 00:06:37.790 And it's not the end of the world, but most people know this streamer because of this clip and I find it interesting 00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:41.920 How polygon doesn't mention this video anywhere in 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:45.760 This article obviously they don't have to mention it 00:06:45.960 --> 00:06:51.739 But again Google any article of polygon with me in it, and you'll be damn sure 00:06:51.930 --> 00:06:59.000 they'll bring up my entire history feed and most news articles do this why the different treatment now the main reason for 00:06:59.130 --> 00:07:04.969 This polygon article isn't because of this clip. So it's again fine fine 00:07:04.970 --> 00:07:06.690 I just find it interesting 00:07:06.690 --> 00:07:10.369 the main reason for this article and the main reason she's getting harassed is because 00:07:10.530 --> 00:07:16.369 Streamer bla-bla-bla has been hiding her marriage to keep donations rolling in from ell of the day again 00:07:16.830 --> 00:07:22.880 Polygon's article never mentions this at least beyond a rumor about her being married 00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:27.109 Therefore hinders that relationship because her audience who has built a relationship 00:07:27.270 --> 00:07:33.950 with her feels cheated still she isn't responsible to disclose her relationship and then saying that you know 00:07:33.950 --> 00:07:39.619 The people that harass her are just trolls and no feeling empowered to use degrading misogynistic 00:07:39.960 --> 00:07:41.989 insults when situation like this occur and 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:48.530 Polygon and the stream are saying that people don't donate to me because they think it improves their chances with me in a in some 00:07:48.530 --> 00:07:50.720 romantic way that's just isn't true 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:57.919 and I love this because not even polygons own commenters agrees with the state in the articles, which I I've never seen before 00:07:58.589 --> 00:08:03.229 The top one saying people in particular young men absolutely do this 00:08:03.229 --> 00:08:08.028 It's stupid and delusional and she can't be blamed for some of her fans misunderstanding 00:08:08.029 --> 00:08:09.469 How real life relationships work 00:08:09.469 --> 00:08:15.199 But pretending it doesn't happen at all is a smidge disingenuous this leading to that 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.119 The comments was shut down on the article because it was just too much 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:23.880 Senior editor Ben Kuchera saying there hasn't been a single 00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:31.360 Stand-alone common in here that doesn't focus on criticism of the victim. Not one. I'm shutting it down victim 00:08:32.550 --> 00:08:39.859 Interesting choice of words as long as you're a victim you're not allowed to be criticized senior editor polygon everybody 00:08:41.130 --> 00:08:47.630 Absolute Saint what a hero now. Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with people being harassed, but you think I've never gotten harassed? 00:08:48.329 --> 00:08:51.349 you think I will get the same treatment from polygon and 00:08:51.750 --> 00:08:59.119 essentially this whole article is the same thing as the biased one that blatantly called me a sexist then ignore all the issues that 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.909 Alinity had done because as long as you're a victim 00:09:01.910 --> 00:09:05.600 You're not allowed to be criticized and all the bad behavior gets brushed aside 00:09:05.790 --> 00:09:12.019 She isn't responsible for the perceived relationship her subscribers have with her. I agree. 00:09:12.019 --> 00:09:15.589 I agree with both statement from this article, but here's the thing 00:09:16.110 --> 00:09:17.399 polygon is 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.110 deliberately bending the truth 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:24.079 just enough to get their argument across when really you look at the other side of things and 00:09:24.180 --> 00:09:26.690 The whole thing falls apart and I'll demonstrate 00:09:26.910 --> 00:09:31.550 People don't donate to me because they think it improves their chances with me in some romantic way 00:09:31.550 --> 00:09:35.870 That doesn't mean she is required to disclose everything even if a rumor is true 00:09:36.060 --> 00:09:42.229 She's entitled to play into a role on Twitch if she wishes I mean again, I kind of have to agree 00:09:42.230 --> 00:09:44.420 She she doesn't have to tell people 00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:48.919 That she is in a relationship and I don't necessarily believe that 00:09:49.380 --> 00:09:55.699 Everyone that donates to this person does it because they hope to improve their romantic chances in some way like that's ridiculous 00:09:55.920 --> 00:10:01.310 So it looks like they have a pretty strong argument here. Right? Well, here's the problem 00:10:01.339 --> 00:10:04.369 She didn't hide that she was in a relationship. She 00:10:04.890 --> 00:10:07.309 Blatantly lied about not being an a relationship 00:10:08.060 --> 00:10:14.020 And not just in a relationship. She's married, but then there's clips of her saying this 00:10:16.520 --> 00:10:17.640 Girl: ...I'm single 00:10:25.920 --> 00:10:27.920 So again, if she 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:35.209 Doesn't get donations because of romantic hopes from fans. Why does she lie about being married? 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:37.340 Feel free to answer me polygon 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:42.110 I would love to know what you have to say about that. If you don't want to tell people they earn in relationship 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:46.219 I'm absolutely fine with that and I would never assume that someone donates or 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:52.010 Whatever just because of some romantic way, but why would she lie about her marriage then? 00:10:52.010 --> 00:10:58.879 I don't care if she shows up her body and she gets donation. That way I don't care if she lies to get more money 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:01.909 it's just walking the line of 00:11:02.280 --> 00:11:07.220 Pretending that you don't know what you're up to and even lying saying no this doesn't happen at all 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.109 People don't donate because they hope some romantic chance with me. People know that's not true 00:11:12.590 --> 00:11:16.370 Polygons commentators knows that's not true and they may not 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:21.620 Outright say it, but I know that they know it but sometimes they do say it 00:11:22.700 --> 00:11:30.100 Sometimes they think the live stream is off when it isn't and certain things comes out like this female streamer 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.200 aAaaAAaHhh 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.060 The twitchy girls shriek of Terror 00:12:02.779 --> 00:12:04.779 Raynella 00:12:05.630 --> 00:12:10.689 I got $40 from a couple weirdos, I just make so much money doing nothing 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:17.739 This brings me to my final points. Yes. We are at the end everybody but to the most important conclusion 00:12:18.290 --> 00:12:20.529 Falling on and twitch are both gaming websites 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:28.119 and in my opinion they are both hurting female streamers female gamers in particular because if they cared about female gamers they wouldn't 00:12:28.339 --> 00:12:32.259 Constantly brush aside all the issues and bad behavior 00:12:32.449 --> 00:12:35.979 They wouldn't constantly look away and give free passes 00:12:35.990 --> 00:12:40.810 It's creating more and more uproar from the same people at the bottom line 00:12:40.810 --> 00:12:45.190 It's hurting actual decent female streamers that just want to be taken seriously 00:12:45.829 --> 00:12:49.419 Because they get grouped in with these other eat streamers or whatever 00:12:49.420 --> 00:12:52.149 You want to call them in my opinion not all of them? 00:12:52.149 --> 00:12:55.749 But a lot of them are just more interested in making a buck through parasocial 00:12:56.329 --> 00:13:04.119 relationships but if you criticize them you are a sexist just like vice called me blatantly in their headline and in my opinion 00:13:04.940 --> 00:13:10.269 Media a lot of times care more about throwing labels around controlling 00:13:10.850 --> 00:13:15.550 Ideas rather than fixing actual problems that they're pretending to be 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:21.310 Rioting for or fighting for and if you don't believe me take it from another twitch streamer 00:13:22.610 --> 00:13:26.469 whatever she's doing it's whatever but I do feel like it's 00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:29.548 There's dreamers like who don't do those things 00:13:29.949 --> 00:13:37.798 because I get called like an e-girl or a thot and I feel like it's undeserving and I feel like 00:13:38.499 --> 00:13:40.499 People are like this now 00:13:41.379 --> 00:13:43.359 because of 00:13:43.359 --> 00:13:45.359 What's going on? 00:13:46.479 --> 00:13:51.179 Well, I don't know if that's true it's just how I feel 00:13:51.179 --> 00:13:52.749 or what i think 00:13:52.749 --> 00:13:56.158 It for this video one like equals one copy strike 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.149 Hope you guys enjoyed I would love to hear your comments and thots on this. See you tomorrow